tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15887184.post112949462240582828..comments2023-10-11T05:17:09.763-04:00Comments on Athens Politics: LPDS, ABH, yada yada yadaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15887184.post-1129749769671631692005-10-19T15:22:00.000-04:002005-10-19T15:22:00.000-04:00LPDS appeals to younger "residents" on the eastsid...LPDS appeals to younger "residents" on the eastside? Well I guess that's what's important. Never mind the hardworking homeowners. I mean the county already got their taxes right?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15887184.post-1129556099901201652005-10-17T09:34:00.000-04:002005-10-17T09:34:00.000-04:00Ah, well. Blake's ok. We've had our disagreement...Ah, well. Blake's ok. We've had our disagreements in the past, with Blake and his predecessor, and we agree that the ABH sometimes leaves something to be desired. <BR/><BR/>Besides, the depths of our savviness have yet to be plumbed. Wait until people actually start running for office around here. We're super-excited about that.Cufflink Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14800684128912206226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15887184.post-1129555033282786252005-10-17T09:17:00.000-04:002005-10-17T09:17:00.000-04:00just an aside:I think there have been good stories...just an aside:<BR/><BR/>I think there have been good stories on this blog regarding LPDS and other issues and I was beginning to think you guys were pretty savvy until I read that you were crediting Blake Aued for doing research and getting his facts right. Maybe there are 2 Blake Aueds but the one that writes for the ABH virtually never gets anything right...still, even a blind pig...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15887184.post-1129513955822436472005-10-16T21:52:00.000-04:002005-10-16T21:52:00.000-04:00Sabado Gigante on the east side! Now that's funny...Sabado Gigante on the east side! Now that's funny! You know, I try to bring the funny, but you just trumped me for the night.<BR/><BR/>Tell you what I'll do. I'll shoot Bruno and Matt an email, and put their response up on AP for all to see. Fair?<BR/><BR/>Of course, given how open and transparent they've been, you could also email them too. I swear, I really think these guys are in it for the right reasons and really want to hear and respond to questions, comments, etc about LPDS.Cufflink Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14800684128912206226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15887184.post-1129513358033948492005-10-16T21:42:00.000-04:002005-10-16T21:42:00.000-04:00With all due respect, I do think you're on the wro...With all due respect, I do think you're on the wrong track as far as Caliente and Pollo Loco (I know, they changed names, but for consistency's sake, I'm using the old names)are concerned. Both businesses were (are, in PL's case) hugely successful by my standards, in that they generated a good amount of revenue, and provided a unique dining experience, with lots of loyal customers. So, from a business standpoint, I do think that PL and CC were successful. That's not to say that they didn't have their problems, and that's what I'd like to address.<BR/><BR/>Because, I think that with the LPDS, you aren't going to see those problems. As far as Caliente was concerned, the main issues were alcohol and parking. And I'll admit, I'm not a fan at all of the BYOB business model. I'll also concede that there were quite a few times that I decided to forgo eating at Caliente because the parking lot was so crowded.<BR/><BR/>Now, with LPDS as planned, I think that both of those problems are easily solved. The parking lot looks to be more than sufficient to accomodate a full house (a problem at both CC and PL), and LPDS will have a pouring license. I would also note that LPDS isn't intended to be a carbon copy (or even reasonably close) to CC or PL, meaning in this case, that it's more of an upscale dining establishment. That would influence the alcohol situation as well as the live music issue.<BR/><BR/>With Pollo Loco, again you face the parking issue, which I mentioned above. <BR/><BR/>Now, I don't want to absolve Bruno from all responsibility here. Fact is, neither the CC or PL sites ended up being adequate for the expansion that ended up actually happening. I believe that the site plans for LPDS address those shortcomings, and should provide a more positive experience for not just his patrons, but for the surrounding neighborhoods.<BR/><BR/>Now as to the track record with his landlords, I can see that being a legitimate concern. But, there are two sides to every story. In the case of Pollo Loco, another side to that story is the little scoop that Johnathan had on safeashouses.blogspot.com recently, where he revealed that after Bruno lost the lease on the CC site, his PL landlord, one Jim Flanagan, doubled his rent at the PL site. In the story about the PL eviction in the ABH, Bruno alluded to the causes being parking (see above) and some sort of dispute over plans to purchase some real estate in Normaltown (presumably owned by Flanagan as well). That's all the ABH said, but I think a conclusion could be drawn that perhaps Flanagan got miffed about Bruno thinking about buying some of his property, and then changing his mind in order to pursue the LPDS site. That seems at least as probable as Flanagan suddenly up and deciding that he was fed up with overcrowded parking lots. Most likely though, Flanagan just found a buyer and decided not to renew Bruno's lease.<BR/><BR/>Because it was more recent, I've thought about the PL drama more than the CC stuff. (Also, the CC landlord didn't appear to have such a desire to see his name in the paper, but that's just my opinion.)But, as I've said, Bruno definitely has a lot of support in the neighborhoods around his existing site, as well as the former CC location, which should be an indication that he is a pretty good neighbor.<BR/><BR/>But, I'm not sure Bruno's track record with landlords (while a legitimate concern) is central to the debate, since the major reason for his interest in this site is that he can buy, not lease. What is central, as Blake pointed out today, is the future of CSD. I think we've mentioned that previously (honestly I've written so much on this topic, almost 12,000 words as this afternoon, and not counting today's posting, that I sometimes forget whether I wrote something of just thought about writing it.)<BR/><BR/>In Blake's article, he mentioned some other possibilities that have been floated around, like a school, library, or park (not likely, given the budget crunch), government offices (slightly more likely, I think, but not probable), or private sector office space (probably the most likely). But as I mentioned earlier, developers haven't exactly been champing at the bit to move on this parcel. After the spirited (to say the least) opposition and support, a developer on the outside looking in will probably be less likely to want to do something there.<BR/><BR/>Finally, I have to take exception semantically to your closing comment, "No need to change CSD for one man's business plan."<BR/><BR/>As we've mentioned before, the Planning Commission (some of whom presumably live on the east side)has supported LPDS as being consistent with the overall Land Use Plan. I think of it (biased, I know) as an enhancement of CSD, but not a radical change by any means. After all, in what I think was an incredibly unfortunate choice of words, C-) and C-N are apparently "kissing cousins." <BR/><BR/>Ugh.Cufflink Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14800684128912206226noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15887184.post-1129502166354702922005-10-16T18:36:00.000-04:002005-10-16T18:36:00.000-04:00"I'm sure Blake has spent more time on this than h..."I'm sure Blake has spent more time on this than he would prefer. Me, too."<BR/><BR/>I think I speak for the entire crack editorial staff when I agree wholeheartedly. I can say (pardon the self-promotion here) that when we kicked this little blog off, we had no idea that this would be our big issue thus far. And, though we are admitedly partisan on this one, we hope that, in addition to the political snarking we engage in, we cn make this a place where proponents of any side of any issue are welcome to spin to their heart's content. As metnioned earlier, we like spin, and we like seeing it done well.<BR/><BR/>But enough with the making nice, according to Blake, and others on both sides of the issue, we're supposed to be at each other's throats, right? Fair enough, on with the show...<BR/><BR/>Petitions, petitions, petitions. 1000 signatures is a remarkable goal, but also note that the validity of some of those signatures, and the credibility of the petitioning process has been questioned. I believe that the folks who imply that they were mislead by the poll are a very small minority, but nonetheless it is what it is. More interesting though is a legitimate point of contention between us: what role should folks who don't live nearby play in deciding this?<BR/><BR/>Obviously, you believe that people in Boulevard, Five Points, etc shouldn't have much, if any, say in how the east side does its zoning business, but I disagree. You make a good point that if I (I live in town) head over to LPDS, I only have to deal with it for an hour or two, whereas you'll have it 24/7. But I also think (as I've mentioned ad nauseam) that the negative impact has been greatly overstated by the opposition. For my money, you also get to have a really well-run, successful, unique local business nearby, and what I think will end up being not only a model of how to do multi-use the right way, but a model neighbor. And just because I live in town doesn't make my voice any less valid (obviously not, since I have the world's best bully pulpit right here at AP) But everyone, regardless of where they live has a stake in this now, because its gotten bigger than a zoning issue. It's about the future of our community as a whole, about how our Commission chooses to represent us and our local business owners, and about the future of land use in ACC.<BR/><BR/>As far as Ken Beall and Stu Cofer, I don't know. My impression is this, and I'm backed up by the information coming from LPDS, of course. This is an appropriate place for LPDS, other vacant space notwithstanding. The situation at this point, ludicrous as it seems is akin to you finding the perfect parcel of land on which to build a home. It's got everything you wanted, maybe a creek, nice old growth hardwoods, great schools nearby, whatever is on your personal wishlist. You put in a bid on the property, but the homeowners association raises a fuss because your dream home that you've always wanted to build happens to be Greek Revival, and the homeowners association only likes Gothic and Tudor. (I'm not an architecture student, so bear with me on the tortured metaphor) Now there may be acres and acres of other land available for you, and it might even be cheaper, but it isn't the land you've always dreamed of. That's how it is with this. Sure, Bruno could, if he wanted to, go slap LPDS in some convenient strip mall, or on some tract of land out on Lexington Road, but that defeats the purpose of LPDS in the most fundamental way. Strip mall? Kiss any sort of unique architecture or atmosphere goodbye. Other tracts that aren't strip malls also force Bruno to sacrifice the "neighborhood feel" that he's pushing for. <BR/><BR/>But my favorite point that you make, and I mean this in a real way, not a sarcastic way it the one about being burned before by developers. It's a solid point, but I'd respond by asking you this: did the Cedar Pointe folks go to as much trouble to adapt the site plans and solicit input from the neighborhood as Bruno and LPDS has? I don't know for sure, but I'd suspect the answer is no. If they didn't and Cedar Creek et al got burned, I feel for you. Most developers are greedy. Most are bastards. But why punish LPDS for the failures of Ansonborough? If this were just another zoning issue, I'd be on your side with this point, but it isn't another zoning issue precisely because of the efforts that LPDS has made to garner community support while holding on to their dream.<BR/><BR/>As always, thanks for commenting, and I, for one, look forward to having you on our side in future issues.Cufflink Carlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14800684128912206226noreply@blogger.com